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Nypd A trial began in New York yesterday, wherein the New York Civil Liberties Union is trying to put an end to police inspections of bags and packages at subway entrances.

The civil liberties group argues that the searches violate the Fourth Amendment's guarantee against illegal searches and seizures, while the city asserts that they are an effective deterrent to a terrorist attack.
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Christopher Dunn, the civil liberties union's top lawyer in the case, said, "The only people being searched under this program are innocent New Yorkers." The searches have not uncovered any terrorist plot, or even contraband, he said.

By the same logic, if a speed trap fails to clock people speeding, is it necessarily ineffective?  Or is it possibly serving as a deterrent?  Does the fact that the only people being radar gunned are lawful drivers somehow imply inefficacy?

Of course, it's likely the NYCLU is less concerned about the effectiveness of the program than the supposed affront to personal privacy.

[A] plaintiff, Joseph E. Gehring Jr., a lawyer, said the search policy could cause him to violate his ethical obligations to keep client information confidential. A third plaintiff, Partha Banerjee, said he had felt humiliated when his bag was searched at a political rally several years ago.

While riders selected for a search have the option of refusing and exiting the subways, two plaintiffs - Norman W. Murphy, a federal worker, and Andrew D. Schonebaum, a social worker - said they viewed that choice as illusory because they have to take the subway to and from work.

Yes, and helping to keep our persons physically intact is such an illusory benefit when we have to suffer the humiliation of a bag search.

Honestly, if it's that daunting an imposition (or if you're plagued by an ethical quandary such as Mr. Gehring's), walk away and try a different entrance.  I ride the subway with a bag twice a day, with one end of the trip terminating at Grand Central, and I've not only never been searched, I've never even seen a search.  If your delicate constitution or sensitive documents absolutely preclude a search, it shouldn't be too hard to avoid.  And it doesn't seem too dear a cost if it shores up an otherwise vulnerable avenue for death and destruction.

This case is the first time such a practice has been contested with respect to public transit systems, but it seems well established nonetheless.  The searches are substantively equivalent to those at airports, office buildings, sporting events, etc. (except with respect to their relative infrequency). 

The NYPD points out that a sign in the NYCLU's office informs visitors that their bags are subject to search at any time.

More on this nonsense: Stop the ACLU, Law Hawk

Handcrafted by Flip on November 1, 2005 |

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I have two comments, so I'll post twice - sorry if that's unkosher (blame the inability to add paragraph breaks). First off, I have to say that you make absolutely no sense at all. You want to claim that the searches act like a deterrent. But don't you then immediately mention how you've never seen a search, and that if you want to avoid a search (and still gain access to the subway), there is nothing stopping you? How exactly does that work as a deterrent?

Posted by: Nor | Nov 1, 2005 5:39:50 PM

Your radar trap analogy is completely vacuous. There is an inherent difference between being clocked on the highway and having your bag search. Wanna guess what it is? (Hint: it's exactly the same reason the A/NYCLU gives in their suit.) One, it is neither a search nor a seizure. Two, it in no way comes close to a violation of privacy, as there is (again) no search nor seizure taking place. Three, being able to drive demands compliance with traffic ordinances - ordinances you agreed to abide by when you received your driver's license; entering the subway does not have such a agreement, implied or posted.

Posted by: Nor | Nov 1, 2005 5:44:44 PM

Your radar trap analogy is completely vacuous. There is an inherent difference between being clocked on the highway and having your bag search. Wanna guess what it is? (Hint: it's exactly the same reason the A/NYCLU gives in their suit.) One, it is neither a search nor a seizure. Two, it in no way comes close to a violation of privacy, as there is (again) no search nor seizure taking place. Three, being able to drive demands compliance with traffic ordinances - ordinances you agreed to abide by when you received your driver's license; entering the subway does not have such a agreement, implied or posted.

Posted by: Nor | Nov 1, 2005 5:46:11 PM

To your first point, I've never seen a search, but I'm aware they're going on. If I were contemplating mayhem, that would still give me enough pause to take my trouble elsewhere. To your second point, the speed trap analogy was one examining the efficacy gripe, not the privacy gripe. That's why I continued, "Of course, it's likely the NYCLU is less concerned about the effectiveness of the program than the supposed affront to personal privacy," followed by a focused berating of the privacy gripe.

Posted by: Flip | Nov 1, 2005 5:54:45 PM

Yet it is perfectly possible to judge the efficacy of a speed trap by simple observation of road conditions and traffic behavior. There's a usual speed trap 5 blocks down from my office - traffic slows down at that location , therefore it is easily observable that the speed trap works. Yet the NYPD refuses to provide any possible evidence or incidence where these searches have been of use, at all. Why is that?

Posted by: Nor | Nov 2, 2005 9:50:42 AM

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